Comments on: What are your stats?

By: monstron

monstron — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:31:48 +0000

Well we are playing on different realms/areas etc but in my realm we never ask for stats like that, at least me.

Ofc the tank and the healer should have some decent ones to be able to tank/heal it, but untill now i didn’t have any problem with blue geared dps, if they know their class that is.

I really can’t understand why you ask a dk his stats, if he is 80 he should have some decent gear already, except if he payed a chinese to lvl the char.

By: Mae

Mae — Sat, 03 Jan 2009 00:59:31 +0000

I have to tell you, I personally find the attitude you’re discussing to be completely appalling!! I can see not taking someone who’s gear in some way shows that they have no idea in the world what they’re doing, hunters stacking spellpower, for example. But, to disallow someone with perfectly decent stats from a heroic on that basis that they in some way don’t meet the standards is atrocious. I mean, heroics are how we gear up, how are we supposed to do that if people won’t accept us based upon our stats? It’s circular logic and it doesn’t make any sense to me whatsoever.

I only run with guildies, I don’t pug, and this sort of thing is the reason. It just seems like elitism and it ticks me off, so I just flat refuse to do it. The only pugs I ever run with are pugs that guidies bring in to nearly all guild runs. You know, that random fifth guy because it’s 3am and there’s no dps online. I just say no to pugs otherwise.

Thanks for the great post, this is my first visit here. I found your site by way of The Pink Pigtail Inn!

By: Mahlah

Mahlah — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:58:58 +0000

Its pretty simple really: If I was making a PUG and had the choice between a well geared person I don’t know and a mediocre geared person I don’t know, I’d take the one with better gear. PUGs are intolerable anyway, so in the rare case that I would actually do one, I’d try to make it as easy as possible on everyone.

Sure, you could end up turning a perfectly good person away from the group, but quite frankly you don’t have time to get to know everyone and you’ve got to set some sort of standard.

Granted, I would only VERY rarely do anything with anyone outside my guild when I played WoW, we were one of the top 3 raiding guilds on the server, and quite frankly running with people less disciplined and experienced generally just made me want to punch a hole in my monitor.

By: Caleb

Caleb — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 10:36:04 +0000

Weird, I really haven’t heard cries of “stats” on my server, and I am a DK DPS as well. But just about everything needed to be said has been. All I can add is that I feel the only reason to ever PuG something is to find a new friend after a pleasant run so you have to PuG one less person next time. Between friends list and guild, I can’t remember the last time I had to get more than a single random person per group. DPS I really don’t care what they can do because as a fellow DPS, I know I rock and can pick up the slack if they suck. And, to be a bit of a DPS whore, I frankly enjoy getting 45% of the damage done in the meters, more than I hate the slightly slower rate we kill things. As long as we aren’t having trouble (And there are precious few fights that REQUIRE massive DPS to do) then, hell, bring on the bad DPS so I can feel better.

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By: Pignasty

Pignasty — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:36:24 +0000

Yeah, I think the general consensus is that the guild you are in is the main factor in enjoyment of WoW. Seeing as how the social aspect of an MMO is the underlying “mortar” holding the experience together, this isn’t really a “bad” thing….although it can sure be frustrating. Hell….this blog is widely known and you did some amazing pre-release recruitment for WAR. Why not recruit for WoW? I’m sure it’d be a blast to play with folks as up to date and analytical about the games of today.

By: Shamble

Shamble — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:37:57 +0000

I havent seen any stat requests on my server – Feathermoon, but I think if I did I would probably reply NVM and move along. Pugs suck now more than ever and I doubt that will ever change.

By: yunk

yunk — Mon, 29 Dec 2008 04:58:42 +0000

I see it all the time on Fenris. I never saw it before WOTLK, but now constantly in the trade channel dps “requirements” are given. To a certain extent I think it is good, I remember once they lowered the rep requirement to do heroics in TBC every player in green gear that just hit 70 wanted to join in, and they just couldn’t contribute due to gear.

BUT, it has gotten ridiculous.

And it’s not just DKs, everyone is treated like this now. Some people would let me heal while a few levels underleveled, others didn’t want to talk to me if I was not at the top of the level range. And too many people out there still think Disc is a pvp healer tree.

I did have a 72 tank ask me to heal in regular Drak, i said i thought he was underleveled he just replied he’d done it before without a problem so I said ok and tried it. He was just fine.

But as others said, it’s a sign the people asking don’t know what they are doing. They think they need that huge buffer because they are used to failing. so maybe that’s a sign those are not people you want to group with.

Or it could be people who want to race through for rep and already outgear the place. In the same case not people that sound like they’ll be fun.

I am starting to think once I get my 2 mains to 80 and get a few of the special pets/mounts I will probably quit again. It’s the same old game I got sick of before. Though for now it’s fun.

By: Skuishe

Skuishe — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:18:54 +0000

keen if your server is anything like mine, it’s probably loaded with dks (25% for boulderfist) and probably 90% of those are bad. The downside to gear being easily obtainable is that there are plenty of people that are very well geared already, so when you’re making a group it’s easy to just want to take those already in the 2k+ range because there will just never be a shortage of those.

your best bet is to just make friends, and run a bunch with the same people every day. a 2 hour commitment is easily 4 or so of the shorter heroics even at your more entry level of gearing, so don’t take your being declined as a heroic barrier, just people preferring better geared people.

as another note, don’t advertise your dps, just use your ap instead. plenty of people will hit 3k on a short tank and spank with bloodlust and cooldowns all popped, and call themselves 3k dpsers, while really averaging sub 2k on a normal boss fight. 1650 will be looked down on by idiots who probably do the same, you’re just more honest/realistic

By: Keen

Keen — Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:08:10 +0000

Well I’m not trying to tank. I can see wanting a tank who can take hits or have defense. I’m just trying to DPS. I’ve had a lot less problems over the past few days. Only got asked my stats once. The other times I was invited straight away into the group and did just fine.